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Moderator: Miss Mary, do you think that a requirement should not be in school for a promotion and popularization of it?
Mary: I think they should. in accordance with those of us young people, it should be . but I do not know these leaders, ah, teacher, ah, how they think. In fact, they are also young once. tell the truth, love in college, and then place men and women, this is very common, very normal.
Moderator: What do you think should be the attitude of the promotion.
Mary: Yes, because in our classmates, but also have had such cases. that is pregnant in college, when they do not know how to run. in the end is getting married, or to send their children to abortion. they are very painful, very troubled. in spirit, they are a certain hit. but in the ideological pressure, the above studies have a certain impact.
Moderator: We have just heard about Miss Mary about her had encountered in school or events of this case. I would like to ask Professor Tang, you are in the United States among a relatively open country. those schools in the United States , is not pregnant after their students, but also the existence of such pressure, is also facing a series of problems that do?
Dr Tang: U.S. college students get married, pregnant, giving birth can say is no pressure at all. a little bit no pressure at all.
Moderator: Why?
Dr Tang: Why? because the school, but ask these things from. Why would he bother anyway? is he bother anyway? as a normal adult, this his rights. but unlike China, as if some of the economic issues involved, account issues and so on. These issues are not in the United States.
Moderator: This is very good.
Mary: In the our domestic, and I feel like we went to school, is handed a small piece of paper, ah, ah handed the letters, if submitted to the teacher where the teacher should interfere in it. to be punished.
Moderator: This can be thought conceivable, how open the United States. marriage can have children. I had read a report, that some American students, she is reading side, then side with children, there is such a phenomenon you?
Deng Doctor: This should not be that only students, we also advance the time, including students, too. I take a small example, some Chinese students to follow their parents immigrated to the United States went. when they attended high school in China, to the United States is also a high school. to American schools, they surprised that some female students carrying a baby in the school. This is not college students, ah, but high school students. They find it very strange, do not know how, feel very understanding. because, according to the provisions in China, which is certainly to be dismissed, subject to punishment.
Moderator: Yes, and how teachers can accept.
Dr Tang: Yes, ah, China's teacher how he can tolerate Students carrying a baby to study it in school?
Moderator: This is a cultural phenomenon rather special.
Dr Tang: This course is special. American college students in the school have a son, we do a statistical fact, and no more than 5% of the proportion, not more. but not allowed, and no one to interfere. because the United States is a legal society, everything from a legal point of view to act. you say , the law is that? registration system is very interesting. registration of marriage 18 years of age, it is certainly not the problem, adult .16 to 17 years, registration of marriage, parental consent .16 proposed under the age of marriage, must have parents or is the guardian signature. expressly provided that is the case. then we can imagine what this means? that is 16 years of age, he was a child it!
Moderator: Yes.
Dr Tang: So he could marry, as long as he is willing, the guardian's consent signature and not against the law. United States, as defined by law. Since the law gives him to get married, he can have children.
Moderator: You can think of If the parents have heard of such a law in China, I think certainly outcry. even a stage in which the University can not be expelled from pregnant female college students has caused many disputes. that can be desired but know, if this Bill should be on China, it is a terrible thing ah.
Mary: Yes.
Dr Tang: Actually not a terrible thing. so to speak, and now China, pregnant students, children, is not very surprising things.
Moderator: Yes, Yes. but he will not be included inside the law.
Mary: I have interviewed a man, he should be A secondary school students in remote mountainous areas, he is a baby, and then still is to read books. but he is remote mountainous areas, ethnic minority.
Moderator: Minority particular point.
Mary: is a special number, so did not think how to.
Moderator: This may be with some of the local customs relations.
Mary: Yes. to have this relationship.
Moderator: Then I would feel very strange. If the law such a requirement for students, then as the school is concerned, they can allow, and that abortion is not a student, the school will give holiday? because, after all, in terms of words for women, abortion is done, there is definitely a period of time needs to be adjusted The. Well, since the United States so open, it is not also more humane. There the process of confinement.
Dr Tang: This is not the U.S. Open. I said, the United States is a legal society, everything is by law Law. All the starting point, all requirements are Bixu in Falv below, not above the law any more than there are things. not to say that the U.S. open. a perspective from the other talked, as you mentioned earlier the problem is that college students pregnant, give birth to Xiao Hai , to not give maternity leave, this is not a problem in the United States. Why is not the problem? does not exist to not give the issue of maternity leave. Why do I say so? fully implemented because the U.S. credit system the university. You say four-year undergraduate, We get a bachelor's degree, bachelor's degree can take you four years, five years you can get a bachelor. you can get six years. Xiuman credits as long as you can. you are willing to break three months, you are willing to break six months, is willing to take a year off, as you will.
Mary: That would be great, this life can be in school. on a lifetime of learning can be.
Dr Tang: In the United States, 60 old undergraduate, Master's, Ph.D. of the people still there ah.
Moderator: Indeed, I feel a bit strange thing is, if it is so much time for students to take maternity leave, or to rest, Will it affect his life, she would not take this time to do something else, or completely do not want to go to school, and there is no such situation do?
Dr Tang: This is not surprising ah can ah, fully permitted. This is not the teacher to the students leave, the teacher had no right to the students. in an American university, you can choose 20 semester credits, he can choose the next semester of 30 credits this semester I can not chosen a credit. This is the choice of the students themselves, teachers have no right to interfere. Students that? is an adult, and adults are fully independent discriminant ability and responsibility for their actions their own ability. not to say that teacher He did leave, the teacher gave him any concessions, which the teacher does not matter.
Moderator: What do the parents, the parents face this problem, he would have a different idea? my child in high school became pregnant, and that in the surrounding environment which will not be some criticism from others, or is it gossip?
Dr Tang: criticism? in the surrounding social environment will not be. Why? because these are are allowed by law.
Moderator: there will not be permitted by law, criticism, and that his family would not think that education is not good then?
Dr Tang: I do not see this situation. But in general, that high school students, college students pregnant, the number of students are not many children, it is still a minority. but he even has this behavior, we also feel no surprise. did not say this person tutoring is not good, so early pregnant doll. Of course, carrying a baby in high school, in China seems to be a very strange thing.
Mary: Some people in China is said, pointing back to the beginning, the family how it was. are like this .
Dr Tang: In the United States will not have this problem.
Moderator: And I think the vast majority of Chinese parents, if his child is in middle or high school pregnancy, certainly make her abortion. absolutely impossible to make people around you know, then let alone this child was born. this child was born and then continue to support, this is impossible.
Mary: I remember reading a book, we the little sister who are pregnant, is basically very close friends with a say, to die, how do? and then to put two people together to dispose of the fetus, or adult would dare say. but is simply not the place to go large hospital, nor is it a regular hospital. is to small clinics that are remote, the kind of place to do it is to flow. very unsafe.
Dr Tang: Actually, this series of problems, or related to China and the United States, some countries sex education and cultural differences. There are differences between the two systems. There are differences in the legal understanding of the problem.
Dr Tang: It says the two issues, the first issue means that in United States, students and even a small number of pregnant students. According to our statistics, I have already said, students have a son, no more than 5%, so the proportion is very small. that is what you do not need to use a school provides for dismissal, to restrict her, or do not give her maternity leave or something to bind her. is not necessary. have grown up the middle, well the health education and sex education, has a capacity of self-restraint. So one of the few part, she is willing to pregnancy,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], are willing to pregnant to pregnant Yeah, this have anything to do, what make a fuss about it?
Moderator: But if after pregnancy, it must face two choices: either abortion or birth. If children if you were a child, how can you care for younger children, it is also very realistic. and then combined with classes in school you want, you have so much energy to take care of this baby? your class time, not while breast-feeding, but also while listening to the teacher to lecture it. I think this is not realistic.
Mary: That does not help their parents help them to take care of it?
Dr Tang: This question is The. just about China's college students, I was in American universities, for example, American college students with children can go to school. then go to school when the child into the classroom, but also affect your learning. or its not very convenient. So, there are also brought to the classroom, not to the classroom, too. For example a university, 10, 15, or 20 girls have children, then the university must have a baby room., special arrangements that the school has full-time staff to take care of the child.
Moderator: someone to look after their children full-time school?
Dr Tang: Yes, to their feeding, changing diapers for them. a little larger children, such as two or three years old, is not feeding the children, comes with toys, small slides, as did the kindergarten. that is to give children a relaxed environment. There is also a very important question, what is it? About children, I said after the married children, in fact, the United States unmarried children, is also not uncommon. in college there.
Moderator: more common now.
Dr Tang: You can not say that it is common. But whether you are married or unmarried, the child is without sin, so the status of American children are equal. So since it is equal, then the society is obliged to take care of him.
Moderator: I would like to ask a very real problem, the school asked people to take care of these students with a venue to children, that have spent a lot of cost. So, are we going to allow students in addition to tuition, we should also pay child care fees, child care costs it is not there such things?
Dr Tang: Of course not. how should I say this? China and the U.S. system is different. In the U.S., when college students have no income, no matter not the students, all of the women had no income, your child was born later, then the country every month to give you the appropriate subsidies. these subsidies, including children's milk costs, children's food expenses, a child's pocket money, and children's Medicaid. so ago, that the U.S. government 20 years ago, that is, when Bush came to power, why premarital abstinence education, more support him. We can think, not how conservative ideology, but because what? those unmarried children an economic burden to American society. since they are using taxpayers money. can not give money, give money to every child must be. So the problem does not exist in the economy, she has income of her can support, she did not give her a raise income countries, it is provided. Whether you are a student, or a university student or not.
Moderator: So how can you determine that she has no income then?
Dr Tang: Yes Tax . The United States is that everyone has tax records. all subject to tax records, tax consciousness is being affected as Americans childhood education, tax returns are very conscious. did not say what tax evasion, or do not report tax evasion , the Americans would find it very funny things.
Mary: I am following the rules.
Moderator: I think if so, no wonder so many people want to go to the United States. Indeed there are so many benefits, so many of good treatment.
Mary: But I think he was struggling Dangzhong, middle age, this period of which he is also very difficult. should be so be it.
Dr. Deng: It should be so, because are actually using taxpayer money.
Mary: Yes, ah, ah to pay tax.
Moderator: Yes, I think the same way. We just talked about a problem is to take care of the baby, it is also One problem is that raising the baby. I think students have a child, he may himself was a child, do not know how to take care of yourself, then take care of a baby again, is not and friends, among my friends ah can not discuss. Because some students may simply not have the opportunity, at this stage have their own children. then they mothers of these students, will between them, as we will engage in some adult women between mothers exchange it for raising children, they would not exchange places like it?
Dr Tang: Basically should say yes. I also visited several universities, such as New York University, Columbia University. In our University of New York City, where there are students hosted Mom's Club, the club is not only their self-organized, but also the school health education institutions appropriate assistance. but also on a regular basis to teach them some knowledge, to teach them how to breastfeed, how to educate children . is to say from the physical, mental, how various aspects of education for your child. This is the school should do. because the United States for women and children, all states have laws protecting women and children. Then must follow the law for protection of women and children.
Moderator: even if there is legal protection, but I still think there must be some students there is some discrimination against them. the students like this mother, I think it is a minority, is that relatively heterogeneous. at least I think In my understanding of them is this.
Mary: If you are in the country, students in their mom is really only one circle. I feel that if a student mother, we will reject her, and do not want to talk to her contacts , would not want to bother her. the United States will not?
Dr Tang: The United States should not have this phenomenon. Why is discrimination, that is because he is a minority of the population affected by discrimination? small number of people affected by the United States does not exist discrimination, I think. We all aspects related to sex education, for instance, like homosexuality, as some variation, he is a small number of people. American childhood education is not subject to discrimination against minority groups. it can not be said This relatively small number of child mothers of students, she form a small group, we do not play with her, not her somehow. no problem. On the contrary, precisely because she is the mother of students, she at school, You can also get more female students, and even with the help of male classmates.
Host: Really? that because she has the baby, so the people around will show their love.
Mary: love and offer out of their love.
Moderator: We have another point of view. if she can get more care, that would not cause most of the students that I have to try it. Since I have no responsibility, and I there is no pressure, then the government came to help me raise children, I can at this stage, I want a child would a child. but also the attention of so many friends. then I think a lot of time, I have no pressure that I simply have a baby. That is not to say they are married, or have children to do more?
Dr Tang: It is of course impossible. This is our people do not understand the Chinese mainland United States, is equivalent to the United States as China does not understand. You called family planning, such as China, Americans do not understand, why do you want to family planning policy? We have no policy and no one have more? We are babies, two. Why should so many students doing? Similarly, we seem to think that college students can be pregnant and the school they can take care of, the Government has to take care of,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], among students Huan love and I was not arbitrary and more a living? actually not, students people or less. Why? because most people still believe that, then I at this stage of development, more than 20 years old to 30-year-old stage of development, a family too early. This is a mainstream advocacy. does not say that they the others had, and I wonder, I also give birth to a play.
Moderator: really do not feel the burden, no pressure. But in China,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], to have this happen, I think a lot of time, may be difficult to accept. the vast majority of parents will think this kind of thing, a disaster occurred in their families.
Dr Tang: So this also shows that China's national conditions of China, the United States conditions the United States, the two what the country can not be completely put together.
Mary: replace the words of Chinese parents, have to be sudden death is not. to start and what to look for counselor to ask, in the end what the child is not sick, why should to do so? you say it.
Moderator: Yes, I think more of Miss Mary could stand point, that is, some Chinese parents, women, some of their attitudes. that as Professor Tang, you come face a status quo of China, or Chinese values, you are not the views of some of their own do?
Dr Tang: It should be said that if China, Chinese college students have a son, then, from my point of view I do not advocate. I do not advocate moral values is not a factor, it does not matter, and moral values, is part of China's national conditions. First, there is no economic security, students themselves have no employment, no income. the Chinese government, and China's welfare institutions, will not give money to support her children. Second, China has a household registration system, students had a baby after the account is placed on the men there, or on the woman there, or put into the school home, said the issue is not clear. Third, schools can not form a caring community, that can not be many students to care him. what you just said, many students may have to discriminate against her. Of course, if a Chinese Some female students, have also been aware of these issues are still decided to have children, I think it is beyond reproach. Now that she do this physically, psychologically and economically prepared, we do not go too much to her duties . This is what China's four ministries jointly issued a document why do not expel pregnant students. does not make sense out of.
Mary: Yes, but it seems just can not fire pregnant female students. But this document did not give develop, implement down. just like a file to the masses of the hand did not feel like inside.
Moderator: Yes, maybe I think a lot of female students, they simply do not know that such a thing. They may very worried: Oops! I'm pregnant, will be known after the school was dismissed. She will be a lot of psychological pressure.
Mary: Yes, there is now.
Dr Tang: that is, From this point of national standing in a strategically advantageous position, this has been explicitly provided. This is clearly not fired, not to say that you are allowed to promote fertility. and for such a requirement, when I went to many universities are asked to lecture, but many students said they do not know . And the teacher told me that was not done.
Moderator: I think the vast majority of teachers also feel that they can not accept it, how can he say matter sorted students. We go back to a campus culture which the United States, So many of these students mother, they have a different behavior, and even take their children to school. That is not the school should also have some of her spec? can not say she told the students to the same common ground to observe the school Some school rules, is not they have a number of separate, special requirements or specifications some of it?
Dr Tang: the problem is you look at the Chinese school rules the United States. because the United States itself is nothing very strict the rules. For example, college students do not be late, do not leave early, can not walk out halfway, not much noise and so on. The minimum requirements in China in the United States did not. you come to class, you come to class on time also, you late to class can do, you had to go also, you go too late the line, you speak in class raised their hands can do, you do not raise their hands to speak, speak good that the professor lectures, you'll stand up and refute him is required. you're standing on the ground also, the standing table, speaking also, the teacher as well. standing on the podium, he also, in terms of standing on the table is required. is more relaxed natural, without those rules and prohibitions.
Moderator: That is, that the pregnancy is the mother of students, schools do not have any special requirements, there is no specification.
Dr Tang: with all the students are the same. However, this aspect of the school from the women's health, from child care to the point of view, will better care.
Moderator: OK, now I especially want to ask us, Miss Mary, from small to large, you received no sex education? or in which you this day and age.
Mary : My impression of them, like the time in fifth grade or sixth grade, remember. One day, put the girls together in a classroom. woman in a classroom, male students in another classrooms. Then the teacher put the genitals, female genitals diagram, to hang out, to tell you this. and then they may speak their boys over there who. Specifically, what do I regard it now forgotten. tell the truth , there is no impression of a little bit. And if I remember the teacher is a very young woman teacher, she is not of our class, the older class. She is a substitute teacher, blushing red with us the lesson. Anyway, muddle-headed in that class also time through. It is said that class is called physical health.
Moderator: Well, this is a very typical, in the case of China.
Mary: In our country, I think are like this.
Moderator: Yes, then again bigger, ever had this kind of education do?
Mary: Nope. the junior high school, as well as high school, including our universities, basically have not received these educated.
Moderator: Well, we from your body to have seen a Chinese woman in her upbringing among the experienced, the acceptance of sex education, is such a state. that please our Professor Tang, to describe to us in the United States as a student, he experienced how life would be kind of a sex education. you give us about, or could you send them a contrast.
Dr Tang: So it, just talking about college students a series of problems of pregnancy, etc., are actually closely related with sex. just talk about sex education, Miss Mary, that education is not worth mentioning, anyway, not that some women say that the term organ . no teacher, you grow up, they themselves would know that is not necessary. Therefore, in the strict sense, that it simply is not called sex education. American education is still relatively intact. I say what the full meaning of it? First, the first American sex education, emphasizing the life-long education. that is zero years old to 100 years old have access to education.
Moderator: birth to death you have access to education.
Mary: how education, age zero what?
Dr Tang: Zero-year-old how education? we all felt very strange. In fact, education is not zero-year-old child, his parents in education, education of his grandparents.
Mary: I see.
Moderator: Many people are mistaken.
Dr Tang: The United States has a sex education is the outline of zero to five years, a total of about 20 topics. specifically to teach parents, grandparents taught you the child undeveloped during this period, how to give him sex education, this is the first stage. The second stage, the focus of our education is sex education in schools. sex education in schools sex education is the top priority of the United States, it is divided into four age groups: lower primary, upper primary, middle and high school. the content of the four age groups have their own characteristics, and the entire 12-year compulsory education among students to receive a total of more than 200 hours of sex education . I got to high school, when children should be said that all aspects of knowledge are there. then the third stage is the adult age, has been to the old, middle-aged middle-aged have problems with old age old age problem. This not class this form of education, but lectures, consultations, etc., as a normal part of life. like a man who wants to see a doctor, the child may be cold, students may also be cold, baby milk, may also be cold, the old man may be a cold He had to find a place to see a doctor. OK.
Moderator: So just say this, I felt a special admiration.
Mary: I think all of a sudden I want to see. why you just said,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], the United States female students, only 5% productivity her pregnancy, that she was an adult before, it had already learned so much knowledge. She knows how to safely protect yourself. so her pregnancy is not as high productivity.
chair Person: Yes, that is we talked about earlier, why is that low productivity of their pregnancy, because they learned a lot.
Mary: Yes, that is.
Moderator: Can you give us that special to further explain, that in China, a cultural system, how do we come to our students, our parents or sex education? I think most people think that education is the child, the subject education students, definitely not adults. adults what a good education, you at this point, then give us more detail about.
Dr Tang: It should be said that education is the child of this right, this is not only only sex education, the focus of all education are growing. are entering first grade from the beginning to the high school graduation this stage. that is, whether it is knowledge, education, science education, health, education, health, education, safety education, sex education, the focus is for them. However, the comparison of China and the United States is a big gap. For example, in the organizational structure, the teachers, set up courses in all aspects of public awareness are large gap. So, how can the Chinese do better sex education? 20 years ago, the cause of my exposure to this time, began to explore this path. although now in the United States to go, is still very attention to China's work in the sex education that is still still being explored.
Moderator: Professor Tang domestic if more people like such a professional, we can certainly promote sex education in China.
Deng Doctor: Or we say that sex education in China is not small, but many, many. Why is it called many, many do, are not formal education. a child grow into adolescence, his physiological, psychological maturity. If lack of sex education in the school system, his sexual drive but also the education he received in this regard, he would seek this information. and society, the information on the network is very large, very large. What can learn What can be seen, everything can be imitated. so they are not not subject to sex education, sex education by the way too. But, not formal sex education, sex education is not a science, not conducive to their physical and mental health sex education ....